Protest proti likvidaci kodaňského autonomního centra Ungdomshuset podpořilo v pondělních večerních hodinách asi šedesát sympatizantů squatingu a alternativní kultury. A cca 20 uniformovaných policistů, bránících budovu velvyslanectví na Maltézském náměstí. Piket zahájila demolice budovy stavební bagrem. Bohužel jen o symbolicky. Narychlo sehnaný bagr se ukázal na masivní budovu málo účinný. Do akce vstoupil básník Sowa a atakoval budovu srolovanou ponožkou. Když ambasáda vydržela i tento útok přešel k veršům. Po té pokračoval „čajovým“ skečem. V něm demonstroval feťáckou lůzu, která přišla rabovat a mlátit se s policajtama. Přestože je následně vyzval na souboj, nikdo z uniformovaných příslužníků do improvizovaného ringu nevstoupil. Výzvu ignorovali rovněž policisté v civilu. Nakonec je musel zastoupit demonstrant, který sehrál se Sowou takzvanou verbovku. Vitex krátce připomněl neveselý příběh kodaňského squatu a básník Ticho začal básnit. Připomněl i první lednový piket, na kterém byli sami jen on a Sowa a protestní sníh. A označil akci kodaňské radnice za akt barbarství a zločin na evropské mládeži.
The Protest against liquidation of independent centre Ungdomshuet in Copenhagen supported on Monday in evening hours about 80 people symphatizing with squatting and alternative culture. And cca. 20 uniformed cops, who have obstructed the building of Denmark embassy in the Maltese square. The picket get started with a demolition of the embassy with a building dredge.We are little afraid, that it was only symbolic. As we can see, in haste getted plastic dredge show ourselfs to be little usefull. Then have entried to the action activist called Sowa attacking the embassy with thein own rolled socks. At the time that the embassy looks that will stand this attack, he had fluently continued to rhytming. Then he continued with a tea sketch in which he performed dope proletariat, comming plundring and then he tryied starting to beat with cops. Even though he consequently challenge them to fight, no one from uniformed cops doesn’t want to entry the improvised ring. This invitation has ignored plain clothed cops also. Finally one from participants supplied them with funny pointed verbal fight. Vitex then reminded unjoyful story of Copenhagen squat and the Prague poet called Ticho (Silence) recited the poet called wintertime. He reminded us the first January protest, where he was only with protesting snowflakes, Sowa and a small number of people. He marked the action of Copenhagen town hall as an act of barbarism and as a crime committed on the Europe youth.
 Matthias: This is Stupid. (06.03.2007, 15:52:00)
Please - get a life! This is just stupid...
95% of the Danes is sick and tired of this particular group of people and the returning struckle for an old brick house - and they are not the rightful owner!
Please give Danes a break in this struggle! Do not support them!
 Anders: Danes support Ungdomshuset! (06.03.2007, 15:57:29)
The vast majority in Denmark supports Ungdomshuset. The protests in Prague, New York, Istanbul, Berlin, Hamburg, Stockholm, Oslo, Helsinki, Vienna, Venice, Milan and many, many other cities are important to increase the pressure against the authorities in Denmark. We speak different languages but share a common goal! The struggle continues!
Matthias - that is not true - the split between thoose for and against are about equal, if you read the polls and news, not only in Denmark, but also in the rest of the countries, where there is debate is going on. So I have no idea where you got the 95% from...? Do you have any pressrelated or stats-material supporthing this?
The problem started when the building was sold, and the local government didn't have balls enough to admit they had sold a international symbol of this subculturel, to a sect, only driven by money, which proclaims that is thee way god wants them to help people...
Mathias - if you read this blog again (though I doubt that you will return here - maybe to see what flame-war you have started?)
This is NOT a fight for "an old brick house" - this is a fight for a right to be different, to think individually, to be able to distinguish between people, to be able to give without taking, to debate, to walk the streets.
This is a battle against a country, a regime, which is becoming more and more oppressing every day. Claiming that it is creating a wealth-driven society. Well-fare.
Well-fare is not about letting social experimenting and creativity fall under the bar - it is not about putting a price tag on everything.
And furthermore - to stop in my tracks, I gotta go out on the streets and join my fellow people - this is a battle against prejudice and people thinking that one group is like this and another group is like this.
Look at the world in colors - not black and white.
thank you very much for your continued support and activities! and yes - the vast majority of Danes support Ungdomshuset and the right to have a different opinion than the right-wing government!
the once free state of Denmark is turning into a police state, and these are the all too obvious signs!!!
 mm: 110 years of resistance (06.03.2007, 16:11:40)
"The old brick house" is a symbol of 110 years of fight for the rights of minorities. The demolition of it will only make a martyr of it.
This weeks demonstrations have united alternative groups and a new fighting spirit has been born. This is only the beginning.
As a citizen of Copenhagen I am proud of the uprising. Danish people are too comfortable in their abundance of prosperity and needs a kick in the ass to understand the needs and values of other people.
Protest are a human right - what if something did something you didn't like? Wouldn't you like to protest, then?
Destruction of property has almost nothing to do with the culture, and the house, and users of it. A very little group have done something wrong, by attacking the police and terrorised the streets, and most of this little group, doesn't even belong to our culture - they are ordinary danes, who just wants to fight the police... Maybe soccer-hooligangs? Do you like football, no. #13?
 Martina: The truth about support in Denmark (06.03.2007, 17:02:37)
Hi - I'm Czech but I live in Copenhagen - and I would like to say that people do support Ungdomshuset! So please Matthias - stop spreading lies.
Dobrá iniciativa - pokud byste potřebovali přeložit něco z dánštiny o tom, co je aktuální, tak řekněte, ráda pomůžu. Teď zrovna pochoduje městem veliká demonstrace, vše je poklidné.
 Anders: Thanks Martina (06.03.2007, 18:24:46)
It cannot be emphasized enough that the struggle for Ungdomshuset isn´t just about a building. It´s about our common future. I don´t understand your language, but we have a common language. It´s expressed everywhere when authorities are repressing the people. Rise to the challenge and unite Internationally! It´s great to see all the International responses to the conflict in Copenhagen.
The majority of Denmark does NOT support Ungdomshuset.
Please note that all of their demonstrations only had 1000 people at a time maximum.
Denmark has 5.5 million people.
The only reason normal people are not making anti-Ungdomshuset demonstrations is because of the Mafia-methods used by Ungdomshuset. The fascists of Ungdomshusets will attack all people who disagree on their political view.
The company 3x34 has stated they´re out of business regarding Ungdomshuset. They don´t want the rest of their cars to be burned. Activists have accepted their decision, so the company will be spared in the future. The other companies may pray that God will have mercy on them. Because the activists won´t.
Michael is a lier, ofcourse there were scores of demonstrators in the streets. He´s just a right-wing extremist who hates immigrants and anarchists. **** him, and Long Live People´s Power!
You can go to http://www.ruthsvenner.dk/ to see for yourselves the targeted companies in Denmark. The site states that TARCO was on the list by mistake, they apologize. TARCO is not NOT destroying Ungdomshuset. The other companies are. Remember that it´s sentenceable to smash capitalist´s properties.
Kurwafix! Škoda že jsem tam nebyl,mohla byt prdel..
 Anders: Michael is a provocateur (06.03.2007, 20:25:31)
Mr Michael, who claims he´s supporting the hippies of Christiania are against Ungdomshuset´s users. That´s a very peculiar "moderate".
The reality is that Michael is a provocateur, he´s a fake.
Roman; Faderhuset is a small secterian Protestant organization of nationalistic, racist (they would disagree in that description, but it´s the truth) extreme right-wing people who believe their mission is to cleanse Denmark from "demon" forces including left-wing activists, homosexuals, abortion, muslims, "demon" toys for kids(!) etc etc.
They´re the Stalins of the extreme evangelics (worse than Bush). Their new building will very probably burn like Bagdad.
Anders, Christiania and Ungdomshuset are NOT the same. Both believe in free non-governmental areas. But that is the only thing they have in common.
I have been in Christiania many times through my childhood and I love that atmosphere. Compton in London is also very cool alternative place.
However Ungdomshuset is not cool. They terrorize their neighbours, they LIE, and take the citizens of Copenhagen has hostages in their political fight. Fight for what? Fight for their "right" to destruction. This is not a human right, idiots!
Anders you mention Stalin? Let's see who are the true powers behind Ungdomshuset, shall we?
Michael, I actually lived in Christiania when I was a kid. You´re using the rethorics of the right-wing radicals who´re trying to act "moderate". But you´re not moderate. You´re a Dansk Folkeparti-provocateur and a fool.
Why only listing the few maoist organizations and not all the rest differently thinking guys listed on the web?
You are a deceiter and absolutely not representing Denmark. You´re a shame and a liar.
Anders, I have never voted for Dansk Folkeparti and never will. I hate all fascists (DF + Enhedslisten + Ungdomshuset).
I am not a right-wing radical. In your world all people are radicals, correct?
I also grew up in Amager - in Sundby.
Anders, Denmark does NOT accept the socialistic communistic propaganda from Ungdomshuset and its supporters.
Anders if you really want to try living in a communistic state then I suggest you move to China or Cuba and be happy. But don't destroy Denmark.
Danish people do NOT want the communism from Ungdomshuset.
I enjoy the freedom of living in an EX-communistic country. Czech Republic is a great place and the Czechs are very nice people.
Ungdomshuset = Communists!
 Martina: Dear Danish friends on this site (06.03.2007, 22:24:39)
I have lived in Denmark for 20 years (I'm Czech)- I live on Nørrebro. My boyfriend, who is Danish, was young when Ungdomshuset started and spent a lot of time in it. But let me tell you one thing: Denmark has changed - a lot. Many of the things I have always loved about Denmark are gone. We are actually thinking of moving to Prague :-)
And Faderhuset: they said on Sunday that their next mission is to fight homosexuals, pornography, free abortion...So don't speak about peaceful movement.
They want to build a house "open to everybody" with music, cafés, theatre. As Ruth put it: it will be beautiful, with lots of lights and colours :-)
 Anders: Michael is a Stalinist (06.03.2007, 23:02:29)
Michael´s calling everybody who´s not supporting his weird ideas "communist", but as everybody who knows just a tiny bit about Ungdomshuset knows, the movement there is liberally freedom-minded.
Stalin called his opponents whatever that fitted his cause, just like Michael. Now, he supports the capitalist system but calls it "democracy". Wow. He calls Ungdomshuset "communist". Extra wow! Then he calls Enhedslisten (a left-wing coalition of Trotskites and anarchists etc) and Ungdomshuset "Fascists".
He´s just a Stalinist who supports capitalism. Same shit ? new wrapping.
Actually, I doubt he´s from Copenhagen.
Martina is completely right: there are problems in Denmark. But there is a solution too: fighting the bastards who are destroying a great tradition of liberty and justice. I hope she´ll stay in Denmark and fight alongside with decent Danish people! I´m sorry that you have to take care of Michael. Denmark should pay extra EU fees due to him. Sorry Prague!
Martina, don't worry about Faderhuset. Ruth Evensen is a just a religious clown and nobody believes her crazy ideas. She has no political power, and only 100 people believe her.
The big problem in this conflict is that Ungdomshuset was illegally on the address Jagtvej 69, and it was confirmed by two Courts.
The politicians tried to help Ungdomshuset by offering the empty building on Stevnsgade but Ungdomshuset refused this offer.
After all the violence from Ungdomshuset any help from the city council is not possible. There is still room for free communities in Copenhagen - but Ungdomshuset cannot get any financing from the politicians.
Youth houses, homosexuals, pornography, abortion and so on will still exist.
Now Ungdomshuset must just find a new house for themselves where they can be LEGALLY - and there will be no problems.
Also compare with CzechTek 2005 versus CzechTek 2006. There were no problems in 2006, why? Because all licenses were granted legally.
After the violent destructions Ungdomshuset cannot expect to demand help from the politicians. Ungdomshuset created their own problem, and now they are free to solve it themselves.
It would be a good idea to have the new Ungdomshuset in a non-residential area not in the center of Noerrebro!
I suggest that the foundation of Ungdomshuset will buy the new Opera-house. Nobody uses that crap, and it is placed in a remote area where it is not disturbing its neighbours.
There are plenty of Danes, who are upset right now. Not only the young ones, but their parents as well. But I would really like to see more effort coming from various artists, musicians, actors and students. They are completely silent at the moment. I'm really shocked at what this government has achieved by their systematic fight against everything that's different. We really need a new vaerdikamp :-)
 Anders: Martina´s right (06.03.2007, 23:15:37)
Yeah we need a v?rdikamp against the right-wing! We gotta take back the public sphere. And we must keep people like you in the country. Good night and good luck!
I agree with some of what you say - but not with everything you say:-).
I don't think that Ungdomshuset should be in the hands of the city hall at all. They have the money, they should use it and buy a house, that way they are independent and this cannot happen again. But it is a Scandinavian way of thinking and I don't think that my opinion is a popular one. I'd like them to stay on Norrebro, here is where they belong.
But yes, they should OWN the building themselves.
I think that Ruth should have sold the house - 12 million was enough. She'll never be welcome here, that's for sure. But she's on a mission and you can't discuss anything with people like that. The commune - or perhaps we should say city hall - has made a lot of mistakes, that's for sure.
 Martina: Good night Anders :-) (06.03.2007, 23:17:13)
Anders, you and Ungdomshuset love to call all your opponents for fascists, neofascists, nazis etc.
I support capitalism. With capitalism Ungdomshuset could not exist, dumbass!
Anders you use elements of capitalism every day. In this moment you use the computer - which is a result from capitalism. Capitalism is everywhere. It is not evil.
Anders you really have no brains do you? You still think that the reason is fighting against the people of Noerrebro and the rest of Copenhagen?! Why does your brain not work. The solution is that Ungdomshuset will find a new house - and pay for it themselves.
But Anders just keep "fighting" with violence instead of flowers. Then I will help the police send your violent "freedom fighters" to the youth house called Vestre Faengsel.
Prague is a lovely place with open-minded people and not infested with extreme anarchists destroying everything. If you try to destroy Prague in the same way as you do in Copenhagen then I am sure that you will see some fascist pigs of Czech police. Danish police are ANGELS in comparison.
Anders you are a coward, and just make troubles in Copenhagen because you know that the Danish police is very humanistic. You would get shot by the Czech police if you tried the same tricks here, remember CzechTek 2005?
Jo jeg er Københavner, har boet 19 år i Kbh, 9 år på Vesterbro, 4 år på Amager, 3 år på Nørrebronx, 3 år i Kbh NV. Derfor får du og dine ligesindede ikke lov til at ødelægge den by JEG elsker. Fat det. I skylder især Nørrebro en kæmpe undskyldning. Det er korrekt, at der udspringer et kreativt miljø fra det hus, men den anarkistiske politiske terror skal UD af Ungdomshuset. I skal respektere andre mennesker, og I vil blive tolereret. Det er faktisk skønt, at cirka 200 er varetægtsfængslede. Der er kommet ro i gaden nu hvor jeres tropper sidder inde. Dejligt ikke? Resultatet blev at Ungdomshusets fredelige brugere fik plads til at lave ikke voldelige happenings.
Politiets nul-tolerance politik virker og domstolene giver jer smæk. Bare rolig, vi almindelige borgere skal nok hjælpe politiet så godt vi kan med at de kan løfte bevisbyrden, så straframmen kan udnyttes max. Fred og ro i gaderne!! Lav en demonstration mere, så endnu flere af de voldelige elementer kan bures inde!
Jo jeg er Koebenhavner, har boet 19 aar i Kbh, 9 aar paa Vesterbro, 4 aar paa Amager, 3 aar paa Noerrebronx, 3 aar i Kbh NV. Derfor faar du og dine ligesindede ikke lov til at oedelaegge den by JEG elsker. Fat det. I skylder isaer Noerrebro en kaempe undskyldning. Det er korrekt, at der udspringer et kreativt miljoe fra det hus, men den anarkistiske politiske terror skal UD af Ungdomshuset. I skal respektere andre mennesker, og I vil blive tolereret. Det er faktisk skoent, at cirka 200 er varetaegtsfaengslede. Der er kommet ro i gaden nu hvor jeres tropper sidder inde. Dejligt ikke? Resultatet blev at Ungdomshusets fredelige brugere fik plads til at lave ikke voldelige happenings.
Politiets nul-tolerance politik virker og domstolene giver jer smaek. Bare rolig, vi almindelige borgere skal nok hjaelpe politiet saa godt vi kan med at de kan loefte bevisbyrden, saa straframmen kan udnyttes max. Fred og ro i gaderne!! Lav en demonstration mere, saa endnu flere af de voldelige elementer kan bures inde!
Martina, I also think that Ungdomshuset should own their own house, and it should not be controlled by the authorities.
There is just one very important requirement: No place for autonomes. Autonomes have destroyed Ungdomshuset, and their militant ideology is the cause of the eviction.
Free Ungdomshus for everyone MINUS autonome! Autonome should go to jail. Seriously.
 Anders: Michael is really sick (06.03.2007, 23:59:23)
Michael states that Czech cops are worse than Danish. Remember Copenhagen in ´92 when the pigs shot several activists? Danish cops are bastards like all cops are. They serve the same repressive system.
Now my "conversation" with Michael, a cotton-dye biased hysterical, ends. I just want to thank all Czechs who supports our common cause!The struggle continues.
God nat Martina!
Anders you are really a bastard. You just attack me verbally because you know that speak the trught - and you do not want to hear the truth!
Your facts are wrong AGAIN. It was not in '92 but on May 18 1993.
The Danish population voted about an EU-treaty. The results of this vote was YES, but the anarchists wanted the result to be NO. The anarchists did not respect the democratic system and they started to make crazy violent fights.
At that time the Danish police was acting like most police do, and was not so experienced in fighting guerilla warfare against anarchistic psychopats. The police was stressed, and a group of activists made the situation go out of control and the lives of police where in danger, and the police got orders to shoot after the legs. One activist died from a bullet.
After that incident the Danish police learned to be better prepared and they bought they riots vans from Holland (hollaendervogne) and casualities started to go down, and activists could no longer play the martyr game.
I want to thank all Czechs who do not help the autonomes of Ungdomshuset. The autonomes in Denmark are egoistic spoiled kids from rich parents. The Danish autonomes should try to get a job, and blame their parents for never loving them - not society.
To those danes in here talking about polls and majorities. Plz do not try to be the peoples voice, because you are NOT. Polls has never proved anything. We are a lot of ordinary Danes out here, who did not march on the streets, who even voted for this govermenet(unfortunately)But who Do understand and support the users of Ungdomshuset in Copenhagen. In a society like ours, there ought to be room for everybody, that has always been a tradition and our pride. We are a travelling peolpe for Gods sake. We travel around the world and meet all cultures and have friends everywhere. Shouldn't we have room for all cultures in our own society?? We have so many things to be proud of. A Democratic country, The first country for women to vote, a good healthcare, lots of work, enviromental improvements and so on. It is a big big shame and a complety wrong direction, when there no longer is place for all people. All the creative individuals, who in the end are those who comes up, with a all the good ideas, that later becomes our foundation in life. Especially when we talk about health, human rights and cultural life, which no one anylonger remember where it came from. All our food would have been poisoned if it wasn't for all the health hippies who started growing vegetables without poison. I am a normal hard working women, who pay my tax. And have spoken to many people out in the country, who ofcourse do not accept violence, but still - they believe, that this is a political issue and should have been solved long times ago by the politicians, who call themself Liberal!! They are responsible but ignored the situations for years. And did not do anything to have a deasent dialog with the youngsters. Instead they act, when its all too late, and their action is wrong. Denmark is not, and will not ever become a policestate. So plz do not try to make it one, by making the police sweep the floor, when you shit on it.
Fear is our only enemy and it comes from ourself. Without fear, and with true understanding and love, this would never have happend. Open your eyes, folks. And thanx to the people in Prag for their support.
- and to you michael, who needs to call someone a bastard. What is your fear?? About May 18 1993. You should know just as well as me. That it was complety insane what happend. As I recall: First we had a votation saying NO to the EU-treaty. But this was too hard for the goverment to accept, so they used all their political power to change the rules in EU, so we could have a second votation. Then they wrote a new political program which should convince the Danish people that the EU-treaty was fantastic, they took away a few rules, made some others, and...vuuupi.. a completely new EU progam for borned and after a massive fear propaganda in the media about the country would loose everything, a new votation was being made, where most Danes were complety confused about the whole thing and had deeply doubts about what to vote. A very small YES came trough and today we are involved in a war in Irak and Afghanistan. And the enviromental issues where we were the strongest in Europe or in the world were closed down. All the things we didn't want to happend back then, are happening right now.
Eva, I called Anders a bastard because he has constantly being calling me a liar without backing up his claims with any argumentation. That was unfair.
You are correct about the events of that EU vote. I was also against EU and I felt it was a sneaky and dirty trick of the government to make a new vote when the polls showed that just enough votes to win a YES. That was an unfair tactic, but anyhow technically more people said YES than NO. The result was legal.
It was wrong of Ungdomshuset to not accept the decision of a democratic vote. Technically most people said YES, even though it was only very few people more than those who said NO.
I don't think that the results of that vote could justify the riots in Noerrebro in 1993.
The wars in Irak and Afghanistan has nothing to do with EU. Please don't mix the issues. And I also disagree with these wars, but they are not related to EU. The wars were a decision of the Fogh-Bush-Blair alliance and has nothing to do with the sale of Ungdomshuset in 1999/2000 which was approved by the City Hall, and not the government.
I agree that fear is the enemy. The big question is: Fear of what?
 Clověk co vydělává peníze a dodržuje dohody: Koho tu bráníte lidi o jejichž morálce lze říct jen to, že zdemolovali (07.03.2007, 09:59:07)
jako odplatu střední školu. Ten barák se demoluje proto protože bývalí nájemníci jej zdemolovali tak, že narušili statiku. Kašlali na to, že jim tam teče voda. Srali na střechu. Od roku 1981 to šlo s tim domem z kopce. A navíc paradoxně se tihle "mírumilovní nájemníci" soudili od roku 2000 s vlastníkem domu o vystěhování, to je přesně demokracie. Neplatíš korektně simbolický nájem, neudržuješ barák, porušuješ pravidla ve smlouvě o soužtí s okolními nájemníky klidně se suď. V tu chvíli se ti sakra hodí vychcaní právníci globalizovaného světa. Jsou to pokrytci! Takhle se chová parazit dělá jako by nic a ve chvíli kdy se ho chceš zbavit začne kolem sebe kopat. Je-li jejich filozofií srát na společnost tak na nísrát 100%. Ten barák nebyl jejich, měli ho v pronájmu, ještě na něj srali, (že tam byly 4 požáry které založila zfetovaná mládež o tom se nikde nepíše) Helejte já nikomu neberu jeho názory. At si někde opraví vopuštěnej statek tam si malujou, hrajou divadla, testujou fet, barvěj si vlasy namodro a vytvářej podivuhodné skulptury z čehokoliv, ale za SVOJE. At si čerpaj vodu ze studně, pěstujou tam mařenu a další potřebné plodiny, ale za svý a ze svýho. Ale sakra at nekradou protože tohle byl projev nastrání, že jim už nikdo nebude tolerovat lumpárny a nebudou jim furt utírat prdel. Hele to nebudou asi úplně mírumilovní lidé když dělníci musej mít masky, názvy firem na strojích co dělají demolici jsou zastříkané a poznávací značky strojů jsou začerněné. Ono totiž v téhle zemi jde z poznávací značky získat informaci o daném člověku kde bydlí dokonce jaké má RČ. Stačí poslat SMS na regisraci čísel. Udělali to proto, že už mají stouto mírumilovnou mládeží zkušenosti, že se mstili na dělnících, kteří prováděli vystěhování jende. Hele proč to ndělaj jako kršňáci ty serou na tuhle společnost ajedou si na vlastnim písečku a nikdo je nevystěhovává. Tohle jsou jen rozmazlení přestárlí fakani co nikdy nečuchli k práci protože jim smrdí a teď jsou nasraní, že se musej o sebe postarat sami a že nemaj svůj pelech. Jsou to jen mrdky zabudovaný. Paraziti a z 30% dýláci. Nahnal bych je na pole vybírat brambory. Smrady. Nechápou, že když si někdo něco koupí, tak je to jeho a může si stim dělat co chce a klidně nechat ten barák spadnout. Ale nemůžou si milí nájemníci myslet, že když dostanou výpověď tak nemusí odejít. Jsou to vychcaný kurvy. Nic víc. Jenom se kryjou anarchistickou filozofií (která je ve společnosti důležitá protože vyrovnává centralizované tendence Nácků)Nasrali mě. Naseremě takhle každej hajzl co profituje z demokracie a slušného chování ostatních. Paraziti. Je to stejnej opak spekulantů s nemovitostmi. Extrém - nežádoucí. Ty vole ať jedou do afriky... :-(
But it is an old brick house right?
I am not against "the right to be different" or what you might call it.
I also think that Faderhuset is crazy (in my head religion is the root to all evil) - but i believe in their right/ownership.
I know it is a very old house - with a important past!
But that time is over - so why not put all this energy (that have been on the streets) into making an even better one? One more suitable for music, workshops, meetings - you name it.
One thing I cant understand is why some/all (i dont know) support Ungdomshuset with tags/graffiti - you know ...writing "69" everywhere.
If you want to win the majority and peoples (particular old peoples :-)) heart - you dont "terrorize" their neighborhood...
You have to think "How do we convince the Danes that this is a great idea"?!
 Martina: Pánovi co vydělává peníze a dodržuje dohody (07.03.2007, 11:54:15)
Vy jste se tedy rozjel. Oni jsou přestárlí fakani - ve 14 letech? Utíkejte k práci, ať vám neuteče a buďte rád, že vás a vaše tzv. životní hodnoty nikdo nekritizuje.
For most of those people it was not "just a house". Why can't you understand the "69" thing? I'm sorry - most Danes will never think that Ungdomshuset is a great idea, and why should they? It represents what they despise. Majority of Czechs will never think that Czechtek is a great idea. That's not the point at all - the point is that if you want true democracy that you need room for both majority and minority.
 Clověk co vydělává peníze a dodržuje dohody: Hmm. Tak to mám asi pravdu. (07.03.2007, 13:14:32)
No Martino asi jste tam nikdy nebyla. Je vidět že vaše závěry jsou z druhé ruky. Vlastně vy jste mě jenom slovně napadla a žádný svůj postoj nereprezentovala. Hmm. Tak to mám asi pravdu. Ono se dá těžko kritizovat životní postoj práce=chleba a postoj bez práce nejsou koláče a taky postoj kdo krade ten taky lže. :-) To chápu, že nemáte argumenty. Nekritizuji hodnoty "bohémů" bez nich by to byla nuda. Ale jen nemám rád pokrytce s mediální omáčkou. Je to stejná manipulace médii s lidmi a jejich názory jako ahmahovno v íránu. Jak koukám tak Vás tu pěkně zpracovali. Kdyby jste tam alespoň byli tak byjste věděli a viděli ty vohořený stěny a fet kam se podíváš. No a lidi už to sralo tak je kopli do prdele. A voni se nasrali že jim kvuli bordelu vypověděli smlouvu. Se zblázněj. No ještě že je vykopli. Kdyby je tam nechali tak už vidim titulky:" nechali spadnout dům mládeže! Nemyslí na zdraví našich dětí. Muselo být tolik obětí?" Prochcali ten barák tak že se zača silně opírat o druhý. Ještě rok a šel by do kytek. Ale to je vlastně jedno tohle je kultura který je téměř všechno jedno jen se sem tam po šlehu vrátěj na zem a zdemolujou nejakou tu SOŠku. Ale jsou to chudáčci. Jen mě napadlo 14 letý děti?! hmmm to není zrovna slušný chování dělat barikády pálit gumy a demolovat školy. Vo co se jim jednalo je n kvuli jedný barabizně a stejně měli kde spát na ulici nespali. A jestli jo tak to byli sakra sígři. Už vidim 14 kluka se zájmem o cokoliv jak bojkotuje školu a rodinu :-)) Prosím jen je neobhajujte slepje nevěřte všemu co vám vaši soudruzi navykládaj. Brouzdéjte prosím po netu a čtěte mezi řádky a nebuďte jako ti voli před náma co si nechli 40 let srát na hlavu. Mějte svůj názor. Protože tahle volovina co se stala je jenom o nasrání z konce prázdin od roku 1981...
 Clověk co vydělává peníze a dodržuje dohody: Ty vole to je prdel. (07.03.2007, 13:24:16)
Teď jsem si přečetl horní úvod. A směju se ještě pořád :-))) Ty vado to je na divadelní hru nebo kabaret :-))) Nic proti básníkům některá díla jsou fakt kvalitní některá méně na některé si vzpomenu téměř každý den (verše psané na vodu). Lidi básníci jsou básníci ti berou společnost z poněkud no... jiného pohledu. ale básník by se neměl pokoušet o nějaké politické akce. Básníci byli jsou a snad budou svědomí národa, ale prosím ne politici. Básníci nejsou praktici a realisti. Kdyby jimi byli, nebyli by básníky. Mimochodem takto podobně se zakládaly svazácké kroužky. Trochu mi zamrazilo když jsem to videjko viděl. Tady pár laiku protestovalo za něco o čem nemají ani šajn. Dobrý den.
 Martina: pro člověka co vydělává (07.03.2007, 13:37:15)
kde jsem nikdy nebyla? Jestli myslíte v Kodani, tak v ní žiju už dvacet let. Svoje názory jsem psala nahoře, nechci je opakovat...
Miluju lidi, kteří přesně vědí, jak by to ti druzí měli dělat ;-)
 Matthias: "The 69 thing" (07.03.2007, 15:58:03)
I do understand how tagging works! Im only saying that in order to convice people (or at least try to) you dont destroy their property.
The majority of the Danes dont think Ungdomshuset is a great idea - yes you are properly right, but why not try to convince them?
I know that the supporters tryed a lot of things, but I think they need to play their cards another way! I dont know exactly how - but somehow you have be more mainstreame to convince some 70 years old lady :-)
I know part of this struggle is to make "room for difference" but a lot of people cant understand this! YOU have to make them by talking to them in a way they understand - NOT with stones, fire and demonstrations.
People watching TV at home just see a demonstration as a bunch of youngsters gathering and not the exact point of the demonstration.
All this is not criticism, it is just a thought....
I dont know exactly how (and believe me if I did I told you) - but I do think that the things that have been tried so far will never work!¨
You have to change your way of thinking in order to change others (even i you dont want to). It must be frustrating but I think you have to ;-)
 ambassador: tomu poctivemu robotnikovi (15.03.2007, 09:55:53)
Ty vogo, dlho sa tu neobjavil takyto kryptofasisticky, zakomplexovany, konzervativny robotnik - Nech sa vam paci, chodte za svojou pracou, potom pekne do hospody dat si tych svojich par piv a hajde za zenuskou, ktora vas urcite "radostne" ocakava.Snad nemate deti, ak ano tak ich uprimne lutujem lebo z nich vyrastu taki isti zadubenci ako vy.Ani nemate paru o tom co pisete, ste si asi pozreli jedny spravy kde si niekto vymyslel bachorky o technickom stave budovy, ktory by bol z vaseho popisu cisto nerealny, cize VYMSLENY.Nechce sa mi uz viac reagovat na take primitivne stadovite nazory. Tak si laskavo hladte svojho a neserte sa do toho do coho vas nic.